Tonight we discussed adhesives again, and announced the Gorilla Glue Prize Pack giveaway over at Andy Brownell’s site. Click here to enter the contest by the end of Friday the 13th.
Woodchat Transcript July 11, 2012
@FlairWoodworks: And we’re live follow at: http://t.co/6KYmlfiP #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @FlairWoodworks eye of the tiger maple! #woodchat
@DustyDeveloper: #woodchat I’m here – but I’m covered in glue. How do I get it off!
@HighRockWW: @Tumblewood Yep… #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Great to see so many people here for #woodchat! Good evening, all!
@HighRockWW: @FlairWoodworks got it! #woodchat
@uppercutwood: Reminder that next week we start at 7pm P/10pm E so that @woodwhisperer can join us. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: Also tonight we’ll talk about prizes from @GorillaGlue #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: http://t.co/IbYKet1F #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: Looks like some technology changes since last time I attended, it’s been a while. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @JinkerPlex Hi Aaron! #woodchat
@theboisshop: @JinkerPlex Hey Aaron! #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @FlairWoodworks @theboisshop Howdy guys, good to be back! #woodchat
@Wood_Jedi: #woodchat so can we look forward to your entries? The Contest is hosted by @MereMortalsWW & @wood_jedi http://t.co/ZsVik3Wg win big prizes!
@Tumblewood: OK..back up..The embedded Tweetchat still won’t allow me to post #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Here’s a picture of @uppercutwood’s failed glue joints. #woodchat http://t.co/iJp3Guep
@theboisshop: @uppercutwood has short stubby tenons 
#woodchat
@Tumblewood: Not a complete moron, Matt! :oD #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Ouch. Gonna take that, Matt? RT @theboisshop: @uppercutwood has short stubby tenons #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop hehe…what does that signify again? #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @FlairWoodworks @uppercutwood did they joint shrink after glue up? #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop Have you tried out the Old Brown Hide Glue? #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Three @GorillaGlue prize packs up for grabs tonight on #woodchat!
@Tumblewood: @DozersWorkshop Turtle effect? #woodchat
@theboisshop: Oh yeah, @uppercutwood probably had shrinkage. Tough problem for a guy. #woodchat
@WoodworkGuy: Thanks to @GorillaGlue for the #woodchat stuff!
@DustyDeveloper: #woodchat what type of wood is that? Is it oily? Looks like walnut but I’m not sure.
@DozersWorkshop: Has @GorillaGlue considered Post-it style notes? @allenworb #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Link to the prize info: http://t.co/z0o0DppE #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @theboisshop my shop was cold #woodchat
@techsaavy: I worked with liquid hide glue for the first time this week. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop “But, Jerry, there was shrinkage!!” #woodchat
@woodshaver101: gorrila glue ,I had bad luck with it.maybe an old bottle, wasn’t happy #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @techsaavy I’ve been wanting to for the rigid glue line #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @woodshaver101 The polyurethane glue? Did you introuduce moisture (water)? #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @Tumblewood hadn’t heard that term, Vic. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @DustyDeveloper yes that was walnut #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @WoodworkGuy: Thanks to @GorillaGlue for the #woodchat stuff! Ditto!
@Tumblewood: No #woodchat
@theboisshop: Only glue failures I’ve had were in stacked laminations #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @uppercutwood @theboisshop isn’t that everyones excuse for shrinkage? #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @DozersWorkshop it may have shrunk after glue up #woodchat
@woodshaver101: @FlairWoodworks yes I think it was a old bottle #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop what glue type? or was it your prep fault? #woodchat
@superdav721: Yes hide fails with time. But you can glue it again without total removal. You cant do that with modern glue. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @superdav721: Yes hide fails with time. But you can glue it again without total removal. You cant do that with modern glue. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @superdav721 I haven’t heard of hide glue failing w/time. Lots of old pieces in German castles doing fine. #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @woodshaver101 @flairwoodworks @GorillaGlue is affected by freeze thaw cycles #woodchat
@techsaavy: My first experience has been pleasant outside of the smell. #woodchat
@superdav721: @Tumblewood Mostly chairs in my case. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: Has anyone used a solvent to remove Polyurethane glue? #woodchat
@sleepydogwood: Did you start the hangout yet? #Woodchat
@mlehikoinen: evening all! #woodchat – what about acetone?
@RareRepair: There is a solvent that will work #woodchat
@Tumblewood: Lots of marquetry done with hide glue sitting in old unconditioned castles doing fine, too. #woodchat
@woodshaver101: i used better bond cold press glue for veneer ,and tight bond 2 or 3 for most of my work #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @techsaavy yea? smell? stinky? #woodchat
@techsaavy: Went to my first local guild meeting this week to hear a speaker who is a violin restorer/expert. All joints are hide glue. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @sleepydogwood yes we’re online now http://t.co/XbQnuMuW #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: Points for you Chris #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @mlehikoinen Evening Mike. How’d the hunting go? #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @mlehikoinen What’s up, my former co-olympian? #woodchat
@RareRepair: Lacquer thinner #woodchat
@techsaavy: @Tumblewood reminiscent of roadkill #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Boo-yah! RT @mlehikoinen: Points for you Chris #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: @Tumblewood went well. Saw 3 sites today, 1 a couple of days ago and going to make an offer on one of them – 1200 sq ft #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @JinkerPlex Hey Aaron!! How’ve ya been, brother!? #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: @JinkerPlex doing well Aaron, you? #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @techsaavy cool..I LOVE roadkill BBQ #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: I’ve just used the @GorillaGlue wood glue for the first time this wknd #woodchat http://t.co/fOv70lly
@woodshaver101: why does gorilla glue turn your fingers colors #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @mlehikoinen cool.the concrete block one I saw today? #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @Tumblewood Busy busy busy, Vic. I feel like a lapsed woodworker. I need to get back to it! #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: acetone kills most everything eventually … but wear your gloves! #woodchat
@JustSqEnough: Evening… #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: @Tumblewood you bet 
the others had front offices which I have no use for at this time #woodchat
@Tumblewood: The newest FWW video is cool. All done w/ hide glue and low VOC polymerized tung oil finish #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Wear gloves when working with chemicals, including Gorilla glue! #woodchat
@superdav721: Can you thin any of the modern glues to increase setup time? #woodchat
@RareRepair: Ive taken dried Gorrilla glue off antique finishes w/ L Thinner. #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @mlehikoinen Good, just plugging along. A new world with our daughter every day. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @JinkerPlex I don’t get much time this time of year. BBQs, swimming parties, etc. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: What was Gorilla glue doing on an antique?!? RT @RareRepair: Ive taken dried Gorrilla glue off antique finishes w/ L Thinner. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @JinkerPlex Congrats on the daughter! #woodchat
@techsaavy: What i was working on with the hide glue: http://t.co/iWUk6yo4 Made new shield backs for these antique chairs that were busted. #woodchat
@Woodtoast: @uppercutwood I used acetone. It softened the glue, but it was very sticky and I still had to scrape it forever. It was messy #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @JinkerPlex Recent pics? I haven’t seen any since you got her. #woodchat
@theboisshop: I don’t even use glue, I just create joints so tight that they don’t need to be glued. #woodchat
@RareRepair: Someone glued the bronze work on #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: @JinkerPlex right on. Daughters rock. but then I’m biased #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @uppercutwood Thanks, she’s coming up on 9 months. Still can’t believe it some days. Happened just after #WIA11 last year. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: I actually do that a lot. RT @theboisshop: I don’t even use glue, I just create joints so tight that they don’t need to be glued. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @theboisshop Not kidding, either. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @theboisshop you wish #woodchat
@RareRepair: It was an ugly site #woodchat
@woodshaver101: does gorilla glue have creep?if used for veneer #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Odd choice. RT @RareRepair: Someone glued the bronze work on #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @theboisshop you just breathe on them and they swell shut? #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @superdav721 Poly can’t be thinned, but the PVA glue can be thinned with a little bit of water #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: @Tumblewood We keep the pics under wraps, unlike Marc & Nicole. But I’ll shoot some your way. #woodchat
@superdav721: Please a link would be nice. #woodchat
@RareRepair: Yes and heavily #woodchat
@superdav721: @uppercutwood thanks #woodchat
@TheRealNeal: Evening everyone! #woodchat
@RareRepair: Better safe than sorry on wearing protection #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Yes. 2-3 freeze cycles with PU glue (verication pending). RT @superdav721: Please a link would be nice. #woodchat@DozersWorkshop #woodchat
@woodshaver101: yes #woodchat
@allenworb: http://t.co/vO4y6AGZ #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @RareRepair: Better safe than sorry on wearing protection #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: My son dressed up for #woodchat with @GorillaGlue http://t.co/axqdg31f
@uppercutwood: @allenworb is discussing the factors that affect glue creep #woodchat
@RareRepair: @DozersWorkshop #woodchat
@theboisshop: Glue creep to me is like the Locke Ness monster. Hear a lot about it, but never seen it myself. #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @uppercutwood @allenworb none of that is coming thru to the chat, does he see our questions? #woodchat
@RareRepair: Excellent question Chris #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @theboisshop either have I. never heard of it. then I did a search and found lots of “blah blah blah” buy more clamps. #woodchat
@superdav721: Define glue creep please #woodchat
@theboisshop: I would stick to plastic resin glues for something like a bent lam, if you’re worried about spring back. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop Seth Rolland uses Titebond II for all his lam bends. Says creep is negligible. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop It’s nasty crap though. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @chrishasflair is getting props to describe glue line creep #woodchat
@theboisshop: @Tumblewood springback and creep are two different things #woodchat
@woodshaver101: Glue Creep is mostly seen in veneer work,were the glue bond moves causing the veneer to crack #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop He called Titebond and talked to their tech folk and was told TB II is the one for laminates #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @theboisshop brand name or link for plastic resin glues? #woodchat
@sleepydogwood: Anyone who has done bent lamination has deal with creep #WoodChat
@sleepydogwood: Anyone who has done bent lamination has deal with creep #WoodChat
@Woodtoast: @uppercutwood The problem with that method is the potential for staining. It’s best to remove with a chisel and cabinet scraper. #woodchat
@Woodtoast: @uppercutwood The problem with that method is the potential for staining. It’s best to remove with a chisel and cabinet scraper. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: spring back and creep are essentially the same. T #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @DozersWorkshop Did your questions get answered? #woodchat
@Tumblewood: it’s the laminations being able to somewhat slide past each other. it the same on both #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @theboisshop: @Tumblewood springback and creep are two different things #woodchat
@RareRepair: Ive noticed some expansion with Gorilla Glue, not to throw to much terminology in there #woodchat
@BillGriggs: Hi everyone #Woodchat
@theboisshop: Exactly, creep is when the glue line raises proud of the joint – totally different than springback #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @Tumblewood: spring back and creep are essentially the same. T #woodchat
@Tumblewood: I think Chris is correct in that it has to do with fully curing before the clamps are off. #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @FlairWoodworks not about some product suggestions I had… #woodchat
@superdav721: So creep means the glue still moves for a long period of time. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @theboisshop holy crud I got something right #woodchat
@RareRepair: @BillGriggs Hey Bill! #woodchat
@WoodWhisperer: RT @uppercutwood: Reminder that next week we start at 7pm P/10pm E so that @woodwhisperer can join us. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @DozersWorkshop The post-its… was there another too? #woodchat
@woodbard: #woodchat @FlairWoodworks Please read the Google+ stream.
@woodshaver101: @FlairWoodworks true spring back can be controlled by the thickness of the lamination’s #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @superdav721 after you think it’s cured, it continues to cure and may get bigger in the joint, thickness or height #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @woodbard Thank you. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @woodshaver101: @FlairWoodworks true spring back can be controlled by the thickness of the lamination’s #woodchat
@Tumblewood: Chris is right that it has to do w/ the cure. PVA needs air..takes longer to fully cure. Keeping it in the clamps enough is key #woodchat
@superdav721: @uppercutwood So at normal temperature would 24 hours clamp time take care of creep? #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: @FlairWoodworks also when they asked before I proposed cushioned tape for handles #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @woodbard For laminations, Unibond 800. anything similar from @GorillaGlue #woodchat
@RareRepair: @uppercutwood That’s better than I said it. Thank you #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @DozersWorkshop Good idea! #woodchat
@BillGriggs: @RareRepair Hi Frits. #Woodchat
@Tumblewood: The problem w/ UniBond 800 is it’s not a good thing to be exposed to. Yes, it works very well, though. #woodchat
@sleepydogwood: That why I switched to epoxy for laminating bent wood #woodchat
@DozersWorkshop: I was also wondering today about @GorillaGlue construction adhesives #woodchat @allenworb @FlairWoodworks
@FlairWoodworks: @DozersWorkshop Suggest that as an entry to win the Gorilla Glue prize pack at http://t.co/z0o0DppE #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: haven’t done much in the way of laminations except for adding 1/4″ A1 grade to baltic birch for cabinet end facings – not bent tho #woodchat
@theboisshop: I use BetterBond for bent laminations. Very rigid glue bond, and will prevent any spring back. #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: used epoxy for that #woodchat
@uppercutwood: FYI Unibond 800 is a two-part, urea formaldehyde, liquid resin glue. http://t.co/uJr9OP18 #woodchat
@SMeekWoodworks: Woohoo! Chatroom works on my Transformer Prime #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @sleepydogwood what open time on your epoxy? #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop is that still a urea formaldehyde? #woodchat
@woodshaver101: @theboisshop better bond is also great for veneer work, #woodchat
@theboisshop: @Tumblewood No. It’s a no mix cold press veneer adhesive. Cleans up with water. #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: yeah, bulk for the cabinet shops #woodchat
@uppercutwood: Better Bond: http://t.co/uAjdrbcD #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop I’ll have to check out the specs on it. #woodchat
@BillGriggs: I like tightbond 3 #Woodchat
@RareRepair: Another good question #woodchat
@theboisshop: @Tumblewood I buy it by the gallon. Comes in various colors too to match the species. Used it on my writing table drawer fronts. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @BillGriggs hi Bill! #woodchat
@Woodtoast: #woodchat I’ve done many bent laminates in a vacuum press using only Titebond glues with a great deal of success.
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop I just prefer near zero contaminates in my shop. Too many good products now that aren’t bad for you. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @Tumblewood: @theboisshop I just prefer near zero contaminates in my shop. Too many good products now that aren’t bad for you. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @Tumblewood Waterbased finishes have come a long way! #woodchat
@SMeekWoodworks: Is there a trick to keeping CA glue from drying out? #woodchat
@BillGriggs: @uppercutwood Hey Matt #Woodchat
@Tumblewood: @FlairWoodworks I’m trying the low voc Waterlox next and then the Citrus Southerland Welles. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @SMeekWoodworks Keep the bottle clean. #woodchat
@Loogie: Is there supposed to be somewhere for me to tweet/comment in the chatroom? #woodchat
@theboisshop: @Tumblewood BB is zero VOC, water clean-up. #woodchat
@Woodtoast: @Tumblewood @theboisshop I completely agree. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @Loogie Just use the #woodchat hashtag.
@RareRepair: They need to invent a new container. CA in a tube is a mess. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @theboisshop I’m definitely looking at it for my next project. Lots of bending. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @Loogie or http://t.co/85PWjxwA #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @RareRepair that’s the big reason I use two-part CA glues. they seem to last longer. #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: I find EZ Bond better than Hotstuff – hotstuff had bonding issues with pen blanks and the brass tubes #woodchat
@penguintrax: @lyonsdigital did you know #woodchat is going on right now?
@FlairWoodworks: @mlehikoinen I find HotStuff to be too brittle for pen blanks. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: I meant CA glue with accelerator http://t.co/yDxiGZne #woodchat
@allenworb: liquiglide: http://t.co/CuuOVCIK #woodchat
@JinkerPlex: Good night all, gotta run. Good stuff! #woodchat
@Loogie: I’m in the TweetChat & I tried to “Sign In With Twitter”, but it still says it “Sign In With Twitter”. Maybe that’s the problem. #woodchat
@superdav721: Could you slow the set time by either chilling or warming the glue? #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @JinkerPlex thanks for stopping by buddy #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @superdav721 For Cyanoacrylate glues? #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @JinkerPlex Night, Aaron #woodchat
@sawdustislife: Thought about joining the hangout but doing a web update for work. If I joined, you’d just see me typing on the other computer #woodchat
@Tumblewood: LOVE THE GORILLA TAPE!! #woodchat
@superdav721: @FlairWoodworks pva #woodchat
@Tumblewood: As a cleaner, I can fully recommend Gorilla Tape. #woodchat
@Tumblewood: LOL #woodchat
@WoodworkGuy: @Tumblewood I do as well. Works much better than Duct. #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: @sawdustislife didn’t realize we could join the on air hangout #woodchat
@Loogie: Ok, finally got it working in Firefox, but not Chrome. #woodchat #woodchat
@RareRepair: Thank you for the invite gentlemen, good night. #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: I use painters tape all the time too. The blue or yellow grades #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @Loogie Excellent! #woodchat #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @RareRepair Thanks for stopping by, Fritz! #woodchat
@Tumblewood: @Loogie You must be using Tweetchat inside of Uppercuts. #woodchat
@uppercutwood: @Loogie I couldn’t start the Google hangout in Google chrome. #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: @superdav721 For a slower cure time, it’s probably better to choose a product with a slower cure time than modifying another. #woodchat
@sawdustislife: @mlehikoinen I don’t know either. Just ASSUmed #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Four minutes left in the hour of #woodchat. Any more questions?
@superdav721: Later gentlemen. I did enjoy. Thanks for answering all my questions. Great show! #woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: RT @superdav721: Later gentlemen. I did enjoy. Thanks for answering all my questions. Great show! #woodchat
@BillGriggs: Sprinkling baking soda on CA glue will speed up the bond. #Woodchat
@FlairWoodworks: Enter to win a Gorilla Glue prize pack by end of Friday: http://t.co/z0o0DppE #woodchat
@uppercutwood: Remember to submit your prize submissions http://t.co/CFfqqTsL #woodchat
@mlehikoinen: Good discussion. Peace out! #woodchat
@WoodworkGuy: Thanks #woodchat. Another great session!
